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Jeffp
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xx Igloi training
« Thread started on: Aug 30th, 2006, 12:52am »

I was reading about bob schul and the Igloi training method and it seems to make some good sense. Lots of fast intervals short enough and with enough rest to stave off stress (lots of 100s 200s some 400s).

I was wondering how the daily use of large volumes of alactic work would help a runner. Right now for instance I do diagonals nearly every day (jog around perimeter of a field and stride quickly across the diagonal), and it seems to make my running more efficent than high mileage.

Anyone have thoughts on this system or success or failure using it??
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stevemagness
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xx Re: Igloi training
« Reply #1 on: Aug 31st, 2006, 12:57pm »

If used correctly I think the Igloi system is very good. The problem is that I don't think many athletes/coaches know how to use it correctly. I've run with some people who use a variation of it for a week or so and it is a really intriguing system. Personally, I wish there was more information out there on it.
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Jeffp
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« Reply #2 on: Aug 31st, 2006, 10:11pm »

Steve there is some good information at :
http://web.archive.org/web/20040122080830/http://www.bobschul.com/
Which is Bob Schul's site and the letsrun thread at:
http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=440141&page=0

My issue is the walking breaks seem to break up the run so you are never running more than one interval (up to maybe 1k) at a time. It doesn't seem like endurance can be built.

However, proponents argue what you are doing is reaching your aerobic heart rate and then slowing down before it gets to high. If you went to long at the high speed you would obviously go into more anaerobic energy production and also increase your chance of injury. Thus, it is argued that not only do you get the aerobic benefit, but you also stave off injury (which is further aided by running on grass constantly).

It is like you said very intriguing. One of the tough things about applying it is that Igloi was so in control of the workouts that he could change them mid workout to suit his athletes mood and fitness levels.

I have been using a modified type of this system for a few weeks (maybe not enough time to fully evaluate) and I have a race on monday to try it out on. Right now I can say that my full speed form is much more efficent, utilizing muscles formerly dormant as well as "cleaning" out the neuromuscular pathway to make accelerations more effortless.
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xx Re: Igloi training
« Reply #3 on: Sep 24th, 2007, 07:48am »

Dear Jeffp,

Seems to me you know a lot about the Igloi system.I wonder if could let me know where could i read about his ideas and training methods?Or where did you get your infos.
I read two books (was printed in hungary) about his athlete, Iharos, and was mentioned a few trainings they acomplished, but wans't detailed at all.And all these infos are about the time he was working in Hungary, we just have nothing about him after 1956 (imigrated), coaching in the US, and Greece.

Thanx

Adam from Hungary
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Adam
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xx Re: Igloi training
« Reply #4 on: Sep 26th, 2007, 01:52am »

Ok, i read through the linked site, and got answers, thank you.
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« Reply #5 on: Jan 28th, 2011, 04:29am »

I was trained by Lazlo Tabori during the early 1970's. We did multiple sets of short, short rest intervals and seldom more than 6 repeats to a set and up 6 sets during a workout. Between repeats we would jog slowly for 110 yds. and between sets we would run 2-3 laps.

One cannot simply read the Igloi/Tabori system and apply it. Like all great distance coaches Igloi and Tobori were runners who later became coaches. A useful anology: In order to become a psychoanalyst you cannot just read the theory. You must first undergo a personal analysis. In other words you must first lay on the couch before you can sit behind the couch and conduct an analysis.

This is a highly complex and intuitive system of training if applied with sensitivity and experience. You can see shades of this system in Bill Bowerman, Peter Coe and Alberto Salazar.
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« Reply #6 on: Apr 12th, 2011, 12:15am »

Keep in mind that the Igloi/Tabori system is not a low milage method nor is it a speed endurance oriented system. It can best be described as high end aerobic as you will maintain an elevated heart rate throughout the workout. The intervals and repeats are short enough so as not to accumulate too much latic acid. Read anything you can get your hands on written by Bob Schul. No one describes this system of training better. If I was a young boy today coming out of high school I'd show up on Bob's door step and beg to be coached by him.
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xx Re: Igloi training
« Reply #7 on: Dec 11th, 2012, 10:04pm »

Yes I believe it does work. I'm current training under Bob Schul and this style has been helping me a lot. Basically got me to state!
Basic workouts like;
-Mile warm up
-8x100 fresh
-8x160 fr, gdup
Reverse lap jog
-8x100 fresh
-6x300 fr, gdup, good
Reverse lap jog
-8x100 fresh
-6x160 fresh
Reverse lap jog
-8x100 fresh

Or


10 x 160 (2 fr, 2 gbup), 6 x 350 ( 63 seconds), 6 x 200 ( fr )
Along the mile warm up and 8x100's

These methods are to build stamina and speed. The workouts may be rigorous but I find it worth it! It also helps with learning to spore on different parts of the track.
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Bruce Tharp
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smiley Re: Igloi training
« Reply #8 on: Dec 11th, 2012, 11:48pm »

on Aug 30th, 2006, 12:52am, Guest-Jeffp wrote:
I was reading about bob schul and the Igloi training method and it seems to make some good sense. Lots of fast intervals short enough and with enough rest to stave off stress (lots of 100s 200s some 400s).

I was wondering how the daily use of large volumes of alactic work would help a runner. Right now for instance I do diagonals nearly every day (jog around perimeter of a field and stride quickly across the diagonal), and it seems to make my running more efficent than high mileage.

Anyone have thoughts on this system or success or failure using it??
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Bruce Tharp
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« Reply #9 on: Dec 12th, 2012, 12:16am »

Igloi's training should not be described as "extensive lactic acid training as most of the repeats are short enough so as not to accumulate excessive lactic acid while the recovery intervals are short enough so that one is not fully recovered. This will allow one to run continuously for a long period of time with much of the running at a fast pace with your heart rate higher than could be accomplished with a steady run.

I like Schul's use of a set of 8x100m at easy-fresh effort as a recovery between sets of 200m or longer. These recovery sets of easy 100m would clear out much of the lactic acid build up while adding further development of a neuromuscular recruitment pattern.
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Bruce Tharp
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« Reply #10 on: Dec 12th, 2012, 03:19am »

on Dec 11th, 2012, 10:04pm, Guest-FullerRunning wrote:
Yes I believe it does work. I'm current training under Bob Schul and this style has been helping me a lot. Basically got me to state!
Basic workouts like;
-Mile warm up
-8x100 fresh
-8x160 fr, gdup
Reverse lap jog
-8x100 fresh
-6x300 fr, gdup, good
Reverse lap jog
-8x100 fresh
-6x160 fresh
Reverse lap jog
-8x100 fresh

Or


10 x 160 (2 fr, 2 gbup), 6 x 350 ( 63 seconds), 6 x 200 ( fr )
Along the mile warm up and 8x100's

These methods are to build stamina and speed. The workouts may be rigorous but I find it worth it! It also helps with learning to spore on different parts of the track.
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Bruce Tharp
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« Reply #11 on: Dec 12th, 2012, 03:55am »

Yes, that is a sample of Schul's training which is basically Igloi. Glad to see you training with Schul. You could not find a better coach so stay with him beyond high school if possible. I am now 66 years old and I still run like this daily. Like Schul I keep my at fresh and good effort (60%). On occasion I will run on the track at U. of O. and time a set of 4x400m with a 100m recovery jog and can still hit 74-77 seconds at hard effort (80%). Most of my running is on Pre's Trail which is a bark chip trail and easy on my old legs. Three days a week I will include a set of 20xhill repeats of 100m during my intervals on the flat.

With Igloi one would run intervals daily which were medium hard workouts. However, Tuesdays and Saturdays were very hard days to include repeats at hard effort. I firmly believe in daily interval work.

You stay with Schul and learn as much about Igloi (and yourself) as you can.
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